I’m not a fan of where this tech is heading, especially when looking at all of the companies who are pushing for it. I do think it’s somewhat misleading to say that Apple is opening the door when we’re already seeing things like the glasses from meta, the upcoming (maybe now released) glasses from Google, and the plethora of AI powered devices and pendants already existing and I constantly get served ads for. I believe pocket and plaud are the two I see the most. We’re seemingly getting closer to living in a black mirror episode every day.
I’m a little confused by how your comment relates to what I was saying. I’m not saying it doesn’t but I truly just don’t understand what you’re getting at.
I interpreted as Apple doesn’t have the incentive to spy on you as other companies do, since Apple isn’t an ads company, compared with Google and Meta.
But yes I agree with you also that this isn’t solely on Apple opening the door.
"Audio Intelligence features are private by design, combining hardware, software, and services to protect user privacy in a way that only Apple can. These features do not create or store audio recordings, and raw audio used for processing is completely inaccessible to the operating systems, apps, the user, or Apple. By design, Audio Intelligence features do not identify and attribute speakers, to protect the privacy of both the user and those around them. Siri Recap produces a brief, high-level summary of conversations — not a transcript — and is designed to exclude sensitive information like financial information or government-assigned identifiers. Live Rewind text snippets and Siri Recap summaries are end-to-end encrypted in the Siri app with iCloud syncing, and are not accessible even by Apple. Read more about how Audio Intelligence protects privacy:" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49632685
There are different science fiction books that talk about high tech 'dust' or other micromachines that otherwise exist almost everywhere in the world monitoring everything. While the exact imagined implementations may not work, I can't help but believe that micro technology could spell the end of most privacy. Humans simply exist on the wrong scale. Our voice, our actions all leave a large amount of entropy in the world to be picked up and monitored by things far smaller than we are and fed into larger networks.
Let's be real, they've been doing this for years ever since they introduced siri. By now everyone's had an experience similar to having a conversation about something without searching or typing anything into a digital device and then magically starting to receive targeted advertising about said thing.
A whistleblower revealed Apple were using a contracted sweatshop in Ireland to grade Siri recordings - although not for ads. They actually settled a class action for this just this year.
I’d be interested to know what the policy is on Watch 12 at Apple. A transcribing and summarizing watch in confidential meetings seems contrary to their security policy.
They're competing with accelerationists who intend to release these products without any privacy or ethics at all. I'd say we're lucky Apple was first to market. What are the implications when everyone, everywhere is recording at all times, but the data may also be going TO anyone, anywhere? It would cause a huge cultural change to say the least.
I’m not a fan of where this tech is heading, especially when looking at all of the companies who are pushing for it. I do think it’s somewhat misleading to say that Apple is opening the door when we’re already seeing things like the glasses from meta, the upcoming (maybe now released) glasses from Google, and the plethora of AI powered devices and pendants already existing and I constantly get served ads for. I believe pocket and plaud are the two I see the most. We’re seemingly getting closer to living in a black mirror episode every day.
Apple is a consumer hardware manufacturer first and foremost, which is unlike the other examples you mentioned.
I’m a little confused by how your comment relates to what I was saying. I’m not saying it doesn’t but I truly just don’t understand what you’re getting at.
I interpreted as Apple doesn’t have the incentive to spy on you as other companies do, since Apple isn’t an ads company, compared with Google and Meta.
But yes I agree with you also that this isn’t solely on Apple opening the door.
An always-on listening watch seems like a walking lawsuit target by anyone around.
At the very least, workplaces will probably not find it amusing "you're recording all of your colleagues, all day, every day?!?!?".
Significant others... well, that'll be a conversation. :D
"Audio Intelligence features are private by design, combining hardware, software, and services to protect user privacy in a way that only Apple can. These features do not create or store audio recordings, and raw audio used for processing is completely inaccessible to the operating systems, apps, the user, or Apple. By design, Audio Intelligence features do not identify and attribute speakers, to protect the privacy of both the user and those around them. Siri Recap produces a brief, high-level summary of conversations — not a transcript — and is designed to exclude sensitive information like financial information or government-assigned identifiers. Live Rewind text snippets and Siri Recap summaries are end-to-end encrypted in the Siri app with iCloud syncing, and are not accessible even by Apple. Read more about how Audio Intelligence protects privacy:" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49632685
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There are different science fiction books that talk about high tech 'dust' or other micromachines that otherwise exist almost everywhere in the world monitoring everything. While the exact imagined implementations may not work, I can't help but believe that micro technology could spell the end of most privacy. Humans simply exist on the wrong scale. Our voice, our actions all leave a large amount of entropy in the world to be picked up and monitored by things far smaller than we are and fed into larger networks.
of course the bulwark of this intrusion is apple
Let's be real, they've been doing this for years ever since they introduced siri. By now everyone's had an experience similar to having a conversation about something without searching or typing anything into a digital device and then magically starting to receive targeted advertising about said thing.
A whistleblower revealed Apple were using a contracted sweatshop in Ireland to grade Siri recordings - although not for ads. They actually settled a class action for this just this year.
https://techworkerhandbook.org/stories/thomas-le-bonniec/
wait, who opens the door?
Id prefer a privacy-care company over META, OAI, GOOG, etc.
misleading title!
Whatever happens, make sure you defend Apple.
I’d be interested to know what the policy is on Watch 12 at Apple. A transcribing and summarizing watch in confidential meetings seems contrary to their security policy.
Wonder how it could turn out in states like FL where consent is needed for recording conversations.
The untested loophole is you can't access the audio or direct transcript, just a "summary" of everything everyone around you says.
Aren’t we already in that world?
you mean like Alexa and Google Assistant devices have done for years?
At least Apple's features are opt-in, unlike most others which are opt-out
Opt-in for the owner of the wearable device, not for the people being listened to.
Kind of like Meta’s approach to those glasses that record everyone you look at, except without an indicator the owner has to cover up or disable.
which is a crime in certain states (wiretapping laws)
Apple lawyers will argue you can’t access the audio or transcript directly, just an AI interpretation of what was said.
Like someone next to you on a train recalling from memory what you said to your boss.
They're competing with accelerationists who intend to release these products without any privacy or ethics at all. I'd say we're lucky Apple was first to market. What are the implications when everyone, everywhere is recording at all times, but the data may also be going TO anyone, anywhere? It would cause a huge cultural change to say the least.