This is really cool work! I'm curious like what do you see as the biggest lever for speeding up TTS models or from a technical perspective that this was a promising direction in the first place to push on. If I were to guess, some distillation but I'm certain there are probably TTS model aware architectural changes that just make inference wayyyy faster?
if we can lower the pricing by not 50% but 10x, then I think it would be something people want. we are taking the bet that OSS models will take a huge chunk of market share not just in LLMs but in multimodal as well
agreed. we've been doing some work around NVIDIA personaplex 7b, but its quality is quite far from GPT-Live-1, esp in terms of intelligence. Once a good OSS model is out, we'll be sure to be the first to serve it cheaply to the masses :)
I meant the Nari inference engine for Qwen3-ASR. I'm aware that Qwen3-ASR is open source, but I don't see a repo under https://github.com/nari-labs for nari-qwen3-asr or similar.
the qwen3-asr inference repo is not OSSed as of now. we're planning to write a paper or tech report on it as it contains some general techniques for ASR inference.
how do I follow you? I have a small 5090 doing inference all the time and I barely use tts but a lot of asr, mostly whisper, I ported your tech report for tts and implemented some improvements on my whisper inference based on your tech report as well!
I saw a local-ai demo (something + gemma), where the person used ASR to get text and gemma to clean it up (like turning "question mark" into a literal "?", bullet points another one). The presenter also showed a gemma only option, that did both in one go, but had a higher WER on average, and even though the formatting statements were handled without a multi-stage pipeline, they preferred the multi-stage overall
The horizontal moving elements of examples become stuck and unable to be scolled once one of them is played. I'm using Vivaldi (chrome based) on Android
Question: How do you plan to differentiate, because there are so many TTS and its constantly changing every month who would become better
This is really cool work! I'm curious like what do you see as the biggest lever for speeding up TTS models or from a technical perspective that this was a promising direction in the first place to push on. If I were to guess, some distillation but I'm certain there are probably TTS model aware architectural changes that just make inference wayyyy faster?
thanks for the interest! we have a blog post on exactly how we did it: https://narilabs.com/blog/qwen3-tts-speed-cost-frontier/
https://apimade.com/audio-compare.html
Added it to my blind TTS model comparison leaderboard. So far Darwin TTS is the open model leading the pack, ElevenLabs is at the lead.
Is Darwin TTS from Fish Audio? It wasn't clear when I searched for it.
Darwin TTS is based on Qwen3-TTS
https://huggingface.co/zeropointnine/Darwin-TTS-1.7B-Cross-Q...
awesome! will look into Darwin TTS. super interesting
This is awesome. Thanks for pushing the audio pareto frontier forward.
Probably far fetched for now, but I think the next big evolution is building the pareto/much cheaper alternative to GPT-Live-1.
The STT/TTS market is quite saturated, while today, there's almost no cheap/open source alternative to GPT-Live-1.
Is this really something people want? Honestly you can properly lower the pricing at least by 50%+.
Getting something conversationally better has been done, the tool calling will likely be worse though.
The infrastructure for real time is really annoying though.
if we can lower the pricing by not 50% but 10x, then I think it would be something people want. we are taking the bet that OSS models will take a huge chunk of market share not just in LLMs but in multimodal as well
If audio only then 10x is 100% possible right now based on math of the services.
+ Video is unlikely unless they are willing to give up margins.
Didn't take long at all for Google to smash out with 50% lol
agreed. we've been doing some work around NVIDIA personaplex 7b, but its quality is quite far from GPT-Live-1, esp in terms of intelligence. Once a good OSS model is out, we'll be sure to be the first to serve it cheaply to the masses :)
For some reason it switched voices half way through a 33 second clip.
For OP the clip name is nari-nina-01a0a12f-980a-765e-8029-fa56bd23210d.wav
hey, thanks for letting us know! will look into the issue and see what went wrong.
All TTS generations are too fast. It's almost I'm listening to a podcast on 1.25-1.5x speed.
thanks for the feedback! will investigate and get it fixed
By next month the competition for TTS will be even more!
Voice models are not winner take all market unlike LLM APIs
Coming here as Developer Relations at AssemblyAI
> and Qwen3-ASR
Is the ASR inference engine open source as well?
Yes, and it is very good one. Leading position on private leaderboard on HF: https://huggingface.co/spaces/hf-audio/open_asr_leaderboard
I meant the Nari inference engine for Qwen3-ASR. I'm aware that Qwen3-ASR is open source, but I don't see a repo under https://github.com/nari-labs for nari-qwen3-asr or similar.
The Huggingface link on https://narilabs.com/product/stt/ links to https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-ASR-1.7B , not anything under https://huggingface.co/nari-labs
the qwen3-asr inference repo is not OSSed as of now. we're planning to write a paper or tech report on it as it contains some general techniques for ASR inference.
how do I follow you? I have a small 5090 doing inference all the time and I barely use tts but a lot of asr, mostly whisper, I ported your tech report for tts and implemented some improvements on my whisper inference based on your tech report as well!
would love to talk sometime!
They have a number of demos and examples in their HF space
https://huggingface.co/Qwen/spaces
I saw a local-ai demo (something + gemma), where the person used ASR to get text and gemma to clean it up (like turning "question mark" into a literal "?", bullet points another one). The presenter also showed a gemma only option, that did both in one go, but had a higher WER on average, and even though the formatting statements were handled without a multi-stage pipeline, they preferred the multi-stage overall
You definitely need independent evals by Datapoint AI or someone who can verify your claims about TTS quality
Cool, I’ve released something to the same beat of the dr this weekend as well
https://github.com/loudreader/loudkit
I think real time natural tts should be possible everywhere soon
very cool. will try for local use!
Rooting for you on this one.
thank you Dylan!
If you're going to announce a TTS model, service, or whatever, you really need demos.
hey sorry about that, you can here a few of our voices here: https://narilabs.com/product/qwen3-tts/
The horizontal moving elements of examples become stuck and unable to be scolled once one of them is played. I'm using Vivaldi (chrome based) on Android