As someone who has done a lot of downloading/parsing, this is so awesome and impressive to see.
One thing to think about, which I also struggle with when it comes to large and complicated datasets, is the UI. Even being in the search industry for a long time, it's difficult for me to concretely see how I would use this.
I'd suggest taking a small sample of the dataset that might be reflective of how people would use it, then make that segment public and immediately searchable without registering. eg: One year of articles related to the Olympics.
What I've found is that it's hard for a lot of people to imagine how they would use something without actually using it. So giving people the actual experience of searching the archive and interacting with the results would go a long way.
Again, congrats on the work. This is really impressive work.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. I will see if I can figure out how to do that, or like "if you're authed, you can try the Sleuth or get x free searches a month"? The balance is trying to do that without (potentially) overwhelming the databases, more so than trying intentionally to gate people out from anything. I'll figure it out!
I don't know if you looked at the "Label Specific" search, but I think I could fairly easily isolate that to a particular label and sub-type for people to search within without much risk to the backend. Any thoughts on a good category?
Surprisingly, I found out that layout was the trickiest thing, as newspaper articles often had multiple layers of headers, spanned multiple columns, etc.
Yes I agree the layouts are the trickiest part. I tried a few and ended up using some of the Paddle Paddle models for document layout analysis and orientation and such, which give bounding boxes and predicted reading order, but the reading orders aren't great even with SOTA most recent models on complex layouts, or even simple layouts when you have mastheads or images or other artifacts to work around. It's still valuable information that can be combined with heuristics though to stitch together a more accurate reading order, as the starting point of a pipeline
Great! Was thinking about PP but because I only ran an order of magnitude fewer articles (under 1mm pages; by piggybacking on Dell's OCR) I relied on Arcanum ( https://www.arcanum.com/en/newspaper-segmentation/about/ ) which was cheap enough (but I think not cheap enough at your scale).
Hmm, I just tried to upload the jpgs of some of todays samples to Arcanum via https://www.arcanum.com/en/newspaper-segmentation/try-it/ and it didn't work. I'll try it again later, but it seems based on a cursory look that it wouldn't return info that I would need to correct it if I didn't like the output, and that I'd still have to stitch the individual pages back together myself?
A few examples you can click on without having to authenticate or click the free trial (no cc if you do though and I won't bother you or chase you with spam etc...)
In hindsight it was probably a terrible example to you use, because people will think the OCR is off, but if you click on the clipping (or download the PDF from the PDF link at the top) and zoom in, you'll see that it's verbatim quoting some ancient text, which uses a lot of old-timey spelling (wickked e.g. is actually spelled wickked in the article), so I'm pretty happy with the quality it managed to eek out on that!
Check out the other examples for a more representative quality :-)
I see what you mean now with the witchcran. I do instruct it not to correct old-time spellings, and only to tidy up obvious mistakes. I guess it got confused on this one
I'm opening up https://snewpapers.com/today-in-history to the world right now. Per @benwillis's advice below, I will figure out how to make a section of the data searchable for free as well, but this is the best I can do today!
Thank you everyone for taking the time to look at snewpapers today, enjoy!
When you're anonymous or google/email authd, you can now see today-in-history stuff. There should be a gentle nudge to sign up when you view a component or go to pages that require activating the free trial (no cc required) which opens up search / sleuth / custom collections. That takes you to /subscribe with all the options
I think I see the confusing part now. The /subscribe page only is visible once you google auth or enter email / confirm your email exists. It's $9.99/month for the default selection though. In stripe it has the no CC option, so if you click the button it will just auto cancel after a week anyway
I'm going to try to figure out how to make a subset of the data searchable for free (for anyone anonymous or not without having to start free trial) as well in the next few days, so people can play with that too before committing to anything.
Great idea. This should be fairly easy to do with the embedding vectors I have for the semantic search, using some clustering tools. Adding it to my backlog now!
As someone who has done a lot of downloading/parsing, this is so awesome and impressive to see.
One thing to think about, which I also struggle with when it comes to large and complicated datasets, is the UI. Even being in the search industry for a long time, it's difficult for me to concretely see how I would use this.
I'd suggest taking a small sample of the dataset that might be reflective of how people would use it, then make that segment public and immediately searchable without registering. eg: One year of articles related to the Olympics.
What I've found is that it's hard for a lot of people to imagine how they would use something without actually using it. So giving people the actual experience of searching the archive and interacting with the results would go a long way.
Again, congrats on the work. This is really impressive work.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. I will see if I can figure out how to do that, or like "if you're authed, you can try the Sleuth or get x free searches a month"? The balance is trying to do that without (potentially) overwhelming the databases, more so than trying intentionally to gate people out from anything. I'll figure it out!
I don't know if you looked at the "Label Specific" search, but I think I could fairly easily isolate that to a particular label and sub-type for people to search within without much risk to the backend. Any thoughts on a good category?
Looks cool, congrats!
I've also worked with this data, but only for research purposes:
https://www.finhist.com/bank-runs/episodes/13895.html https://www.finhist.com/bank-runs/index.html
Surprisingly, I found out that layout was the trickiest thing, as newspaper articles often had multiple layers of headers, spanned multiple columns, etc.
Do you have a preferred solution on that?
Nice collection you have there.
Just asked the Sleuth for some examples of that, and here's one to add to your Unional National one: https://www.finhist.com/bank-runs/episodes/19827.html
https://snewpapers.com/components/0b22f0ca-60d2-4d63-be99-74...
Yes I agree the layouts are the trickiest part. I tried a few and ended up using some of the Paddle Paddle models for document layout analysis and orientation and such, which give bounding boxes and predicted reading order, but the reading orders aren't great even with SOTA most recent models on complex layouts, or even simple layouts when you have mastheads or images or other artifacts to work around. It's still valuable information that can be combined with heuristics though to stitch together a more accurate reading order, as the starting point of a pipeline
Great! Was thinking about PP but because I only ran an order of magnitude fewer articles (under 1mm pages; by piggybacking on Dell's OCR) I relied on Arcanum ( https://www.arcanum.com/en/newspaper-segmentation/about/ ) which was cheap enough (but I think not cheap enough at your scale).
Cheers!
Hmm, I just tried to upload the jpgs of some of todays samples to Arcanum via https://www.arcanum.com/en/newspaper-segmentation/try-it/ and it didn't work. I'll try it again later, but it seems based on a cursory look that it wouldn't return info that I would need to correct it if I didn't like the output, and that I'd still have to stitch the individual pages back together myself?
Probably much cheaper than my process though...
A few examples you can click on without having to authenticate or click the free trial (no cc if you do though and I won't bother you or chase you with spam etc...)
https://snewpapers.com/components/b2d40c08-db63-40e8-890f-09...
https://snewpapers.com/components/0fabc8e4-a60b-4f31-9ad1-b0...
https://snewpapers.com/components/cdde790f-4e97-4f2d-a2c2-95...
I see an obvious typo in the first one: "wickked deeds of witchecran" (should be craft)
I can see why the OCR is a challenge here, and spellcheck is a lost cause, but I'm surprised an LLM cleanup pass didn't detect this?
In hindsight it was probably a terrible example to you use, because people will think the OCR is off, but if you click on the clipping (or download the PDF from the PDF link at the top) and zoom in, you'll see that it's verbatim quoting some ancient text, which uses a lot of old-timey spelling (wickked e.g. is actually spelled wickked in the article), so I'm pretty happy with the quality it managed to eek out on that!
Check out the other examples for a more representative quality :-)
I see what you mean now with the witchcran. I do instruct it not to correct old-time spellings, and only to tidy up obvious mistakes. I guess it got confused on this one
I'm opening up https://snewpapers.com/today-in-history to the world right now. Per @benwillis's advice below, I will figure out how to make a section of the data searchable for free as well, but this is the best I can do today!
Thank you everyone for taking the time to look at snewpapers today, enjoy!
>for free
I took a quick look but could not find any pricing info on the website, could you clarify a bit?
When you're anonymous or google/email authd, you can now see today-in-history stuff. There should be a gentle nudge to sign up when you view a component or go to pages that require activating the free trial (no cc required) which opens up search / sleuth / custom collections. That takes you to /subscribe with all the options
I'm not going to sign up for a free trial unless I can see the pricing information up front.
I think I see the confusing part now. The /subscribe page only is visible once you google auth or enter email / confirm your email exists. It's $9.99/month for the default selection though. In stripe it has the no CC option, so if you click the button it will just auto cancel after a week anyway
I'm going to try to figure out how to make a subset of the data searchable for free (for anyone anonymous or not without having to start free trial) as well in the next few days, so people can play with that too before committing to anything.
It would be really cool to create different analysis across the time
- Each month's / year's top news headline
- Left / Right swings of publishers
Great idea. This should be fairly easy to do with the embedding vectors I have for the semantic search, using some clustering tools. Adding it to my backlog now!