... Okay, come on, what the hell did they expect? I have limited sympathy with "oh, no, the obvious racists I lay down with turn out to be really racist", tbh.
> At a Mississippi Turning Point event in October, Vance fielded a question about his wife's Hindu faith by saying, “I believe in the Christian Gospel, and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it the same way.”
After last weeks kerfuffle I told myself I not to get involved in politics threads on HN but this is right up my alley.
Your response illustrates the dilemma. Yes there is a problem with race on the right but the left don’t even understand the problem. Look at your example. We believe faith matters. It is perfectly understandable that a committed Christian would want his wife to share his religion. A Hindu in the equivalent situation would want his Christian spouse to share his. (Well, he probably wouldn’t marry one in the first place. Is that racist?)
It makes a lot of sense that Asians, including Indians, went for the GOP in larger numbers in 2024. I don’t think they were going for Trump specifically as much as looking for an alternative to progressive extremism. Look at the issues and positions pushed by the far left in America in the years leading up to Trump 2: soft on crime policies, years (decades?) of racial discrimination in college admissions, years of DEI-driven quota policies at tech companies (for hiring and promotions), increasing amounts of spending without results in cities/states, reducing quality in public schools, and so on. Is it any surprise that ethnic groups known for a focus on education, safety, and high incomes, soured on the Democrats’ platform?
That doesn’t make them gullible like the “leopard” comment suggests. They’re just caught between two sides that both have vocal minorities who hate them in different ways. And remember, in the entire campaign and early months of the administration, there was little visible racism / bigotry in the mainstream places.
I think the right-wingers that can’t stand them, the racists / far-right extremists, are small in number but very vocal and perhaps influential (just like the far-left). This is especially visible on Twitter, where it does feel like the algorithms amplify many of them. I find it strange that so many of them are visible in replies to Elon or others. But in recent months, especially with immigration becoming a central topic in politics, it really ramped up. And it’s unfortunate that intelligent and capable people like Vivek Ramaswamy have been the victim of that bigotry - I’d love to see what people like him can do in politics.
Regardless, I think the extremism and rampant corruption of the Trump administration alone will push these groups back to the Democrats, at least a little bit. The visible rise of racism against immigrants and Asians will make this swing back even bigger.
They preferred racist extremism and anti-scientific, pro-oligarchical policies to the extremely conventional governing we were experiencing? That's like deciding to kill all the pollinator insects because a yellowjacket bit you once. Southeast Asians are only tolerated in numbers to begin with because MAGA elements have been suppressed for so long.
As I mentioned before, I live in a blue state as most Indian-Americans do. I can tell you every racist encounter me or my family has ever had (thankfully not a lot) has been with people who if they voted at all voted Democrat. The Internet is not real. Groypers don’t actually exist in my world. Crime, potholes, fraud, woke extremism and low standards do. Mostly these are not national issues but the national party sets the tone.
In 2028, I can see Indian-Americans voting for Vance or Rubio. If it is someone more extreme than that I don’t know. Last time I asked who the Democrat nominee should be. No one answered. If it is someone who is merely “not Trump” or has an appropriately colored vagina I like Republican chances.
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... Okay, come on, what the hell did they expect? I have limited sympathy with "oh, no, the obvious racists I lay down with turn out to be really racist", tbh.
> At a Mississippi Turning Point event in October, Vance fielded a question about his wife's Hindu faith by saying, “I believe in the Christian Gospel, and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it the same way.”
Bloody hell.
After last weeks kerfuffle I told myself I not to get involved in politics threads on HN but this is right up my alley.
Your response illustrates the dilemma. Yes there is a problem with race on the right but the left don’t even understand the problem. Look at your example. We believe faith matters. It is perfectly understandable that a committed Christian would want his wife to share his religion. A Hindu in the equivalent situation would want his Christian spouse to share his. (Well, he probably wouldn’t marry one in the first place. Is that racist?)
> Some tell WIRED the vitriol is making them feel duped by the president and fearful that the hateful rhetoric will become a mainstay for the party.
I'm sorry, but what? How could any of this be a surprise? Sometimes I don't understand people.
Everyone working in a technical field knows one of these people. I hope they get everything they deserve.
Rather than make a snarky response I’m just going to say you should hope for better things.
"Surely the leopard wont eat MY face"
It makes a lot of sense that Asians, including Indians, went for the GOP in larger numbers in 2024. I don’t think they were going for Trump specifically as much as looking for an alternative to progressive extremism. Look at the issues and positions pushed by the far left in America in the years leading up to Trump 2: soft on crime policies, years (decades?) of racial discrimination in college admissions, years of DEI-driven quota policies at tech companies (for hiring and promotions), increasing amounts of spending without results in cities/states, reducing quality in public schools, and so on. Is it any surprise that ethnic groups known for a focus on education, safety, and high incomes, soured on the Democrats’ platform?
That doesn’t make them gullible like the “leopard” comment suggests. They’re just caught between two sides that both have vocal minorities who hate them in different ways. And remember, in the entire campaign and early months of the administration, there was little visible racism / bigotry in the mainstream places.
I think the right-wingers that can’t stand them, the racists / far-right extremists, are small in number but very vocal and perhaps influential (just like the far-left). This is especially visible on Twitter, where it does feel like the algorithms amplify many of them. I find it strange that so many of them are visible in replies to Elon or others. But in recent months, especially with immigration becoming a central topic in politics, it really ramped up. And it’s unfortunate that intelligent and capable people like Vivek Ramaswamy have been the victim of that bigotry - I’d love to see what people like him can do in politics.
Regardless, I think the extremism and rampant corruption of the Trump administration alone will push these groups back to the Democrats, at least a little bit. The visible rise of racism against immigrants and Asians will make this swing back even bigger.
They preferred racist extremism and anti-scientific, pro-oligarchical policies to the extremely conventional governing we were experiencing? That's like deciding to kill all the pollinator insects because a yellowjacket bit you once. Southeast Asians are only tolerated in numbers to begin with because MAGA elements have been suppressed for so long.
As I mentioned before, I live in a blue state as most Indian-Americans do. I can tell you every racist encounter me or my family has ever had (thankfully not a lot) has been with people who if they voted at all voted Democrat. The Internet is not real. Groypers don’t actually exist in my world. Crime, potholes, fraud, woke extremism and low standards do. Mostly these are not national issues but the national party sets the tone.
In 2028, I can see Indian-Americans voting for Vance or Rubio. If it is someone more extreme than that I don’t know. Last time I asked who the Democrat nominee should be. No one answered. If it is someone who is merely “not Trump” or has an appropriately colored vagina I like Republican chances.