It seems as though you can basically do anything in this administration if the money is right, so selling state secrets free of punishment sounds about right to me.
To me, it's just another example of what the poor and marginalized in this country have known for generations, finally catching up to the comfortable class. It's easier to count the institutions that AREN'T pay-to-play, especially those associated with the law and courts.
Know what's fun? Facing down a trained attorney as a pro se litigant in small claims court. Want to beat the 70-90% loss rate for pro se litigants in a forum that was originally designed specifically for pro se litigants? Hire a lawyer, lol.
Small claims, true to the name, is the lowest of low stakes. It's downhill from there.
It has been for decades now, they are just open and blatant now because the corruption is so deep rooted that there is little average people can do except choose to burn down the house around themselves.
This administration has taken it to a whole new level -- basically an organized crime syndicate.
The system has always been corrupt in that the rich write the rules but this is pure kleptocracy. Remember that Nixon was told by his own party that his conduct was unacceptable and they would not support him...
Nixon also got pardoned and faced no real repercussions for his actions other than leaving. Again, I very much believe we have been this corrupt for many decades, it is only the visibility of the corruption that has changed. What few actions against corruption we have seen was just good PR work, as evident by its lack of teeth in sentencing and complete lack of any enforcement or investigation against anyone with money or political power.
I think that it's wholly incorrect to argue it has not gotten worse. The government has always been corrupt, true. They have gotten far more open and brazen about it, true. But they are also far more grotesquely corrupt in outright disgusting ways, which is different. No other president has just gifted themselves billions of dollars of taxpayer money. No other president has bulldozed the whitehouse for open ended self gratification projects on the scale Trump as. No other president has openly run family-centric money laundering schemes of this magnitude, or openly accepted foreign bribes, etc etc etc.
It was always corrupt but my word, you can't say that it's the same corruption just more exposed.
> “These zero-day and exploit brokers tend to be unscrupulous," says Cole. “They sell to the highest bidder and they double dip. Many don’t have exclusivity arrangements. That’s very likely what happened here.”
I interpreted this a different way - that a shady supplier to the US Government double dipped to the other side.
Hierarchies can punish this. Note that the legislature and judicial branches exert their power. Epstein files got released if you need proof.
(However, if we are International Systems Realists, there are inevitable effects that happen. I have a feeling even Biden/Harris would be in Iran right now.)
Some got released, and in the way the Executive wanted them to be.
This proves the opposite IMO - while the Legislative is co-opted, the Judicial branch has shown it is quite inadequate exerting control or punishment of the Executive.
> Google also notes that Coruna checks if an iOS devices has Apple's most stringent security setting, known as Lockdown Mode, enabled, and doesn’t attempt to hack it if so.
Many components of Coruna have never been seen before, he points out, and the whole toolkit appears to have been created by a “single author,” as he puts it.
I wonder who wrote it. Must be someone really good at it. Someone who might never give a talk in a conference.
> Google also notes that Coruna checks if an iOS devices has Apple's most stringent security setting, known as Lockdown Mode, enabled, and doesn’t attempt to hack it if so.
> Google notes that Apple patched vulnerabilities used by Coruna in the latest versions of its mobile operating system, iOS 26, so its exploitation techniques are only confirmed to work against iOS 13 through 17.2.1.
He keeps changing his mind every day and keeps talking bullshit. At this point the trashy drug dealer trying to sell to school kids is more reputable than the USA
No, Trump did not ruin America's reputation. No matter how many billions he steals, how many kids he rapes, how many Americans his terror squads execute, one man cannot ruin America's reputation. What has ruined America's reputation is all of the people continuing to support and enable this sick man - from the politicians and surveillance industry titans who are in on the con, to the grassroots supporters who won't set aside their (understandable!) grievances and would rather see our country destroyed. That is who has ruined America's reputation.
Americas reputation was ruined by decades of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of human rights at massive scales - and the American peoples' utter inability to reign in their own very, very real war criminals. Trump is just one in a long, long line of American war criminals who should long ago have faced justice in The Hague.
Americans can't understand this because Americans hate being embarrassed by their states' misdeeds, but its very real. The rest of the world sees the crimes, even if American's are too cowardly to also do so ..
Don't get me wrong - I've long shared your condemnations, even as an American! Although for us who acknowledge them, I wouldn't say it's "too cowardly" - rather we're quite disenfranchised and the cognitive dissonance tendency is for Americans to see the government as something apart from themselves. So it's more like that I can't practically do much about these criminals acting in my name.
But I mean, the global community basically gave a Nobel Peace Prize to Obama for not being Bush. I'd say the relationships got patched up pretty quickly there. Global domestic surveillance? So nice for the US to take the heat for FVEY et al.
If anything starting a war in Iran is back to business as usual, with (the leadership of) most countries seemingly giving a tacit green light.
The Novel prize was a classic act of duplicity designed to booster his PR while he massacred innocents at a heinous rate. The rest of the world saw this Novel prize for what it is: a fallacy.
And, more to the point - both Ukraine and Iran demonstrate that the USA isn't really that concerned with human rights.
It came from an elite Western imperial group which has the blood of millions on its hands, anyway, which anyone looking at Nobel as a propaganda mechanism can see quite clearly. Other countries were, indeed, bullied into accepting the US' illegal war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of human rights at immense scale, because the US is a bully which uses its formidable military industrial complex to subdue nations considered inferior by America's ruling elite.
Whenever I point out that Apple's "security by obscurity" strategy is a complete failure I get downvotes.
Person suspecting their iPhone has been hacked has no way to check it. Apple only offer cope mechanism in form of "lockdown mode", which likely can be bypassed just as well.
This situation shows that Apple devices are not secure and liability.
They'll likely protect your grandma from getting low effort malware, but if you are a CEO - buy something else.
One for instance is that Apple doesn't offer an API for deep system scanning. So if your phone is infected, you have no way of knowing this, because there is no software that can scan it. You cannot trust it.
Or things like Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) Apple has implemented, but they have not released specification and implementation details, so you don't know if it has backdoors.
> So if your phone is infected, you have no way of knowing this, because there is no software that can scan it. You cannot trust it.
Not true. There are commercial apps that can scan your iPhone for vulnerabilities and exploits [1]. Apple goes through ridiculous lengths regarding security on their platforms [2].
> Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) Apple has implemented, but they have not released the specification.
It's based on the Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) added to the ARMv8.5 architecture in 2019, co-designed by ARM and Google [3]. MTE support has recently been added to Android 12+ and some Linux distros like recent Fedora and Ubuntu 24.04.
Apple's Memory Integrity Enforcement (MIE) is based on MTE. Now that Apple designs its own ARM-based processors, they used MTE as a starting point for Apple Silicon. The iPhone 17 series and the iPhone Air shipped with MIE enabled in September.
The point of these technologies is to enable software that hasn't been written in memory-safe languages (many millions of lines of C, C++, etc. that will never be rewritten) to run safely.
Although it's starting to change, the vast majority of the rendering engines used by Safari, Chrome, and Firefox are written in C/C++; so it makes sense to address potential browser vulnerabilities at the hardware level.
> A person suspecting their iPhone has been hacked has no way to check it. Apple only offers a cope mechanism in the form of "lockdown mode", which likely can be bypassed just as well.
In the past, Apple alerted users (journalists, political activists, dissidents) when a "state-level actor" attempted to hack their iPhones [1].
Apparently, the FBI couldn't get past Lockdown Mode: FBI stymied by Apple’s Lockdown Mode after seizing journalist’s iPhone [2]"
And don't forget about Memory Integrity Enforcement (MIE) that debuted on iPhone 17 and iPhone Air [3]:
MIE is described as the industry's first always-on, comprehensive memory safety protection, built on the Enhanced Memory Tagging Extension (EMTE) in synchronous mode, combined with secure typed allocators and tag confidentiality protections.
Yes, Apple controls who gets alerted about security breach. This means not everyone with compromised phone will get alerted. You are still in the dark.
Maybe they could maybe they couldn't, doesn't mean criminals couldn't.
MIE is opaque - Apple has not disclosed its design - it also means it can contain intentional backdoors and other security holes.
In other words this is just meaningless PR and doesn't change the fact that Apple's security is poor.
The Google threat analysis report doesn't say anything about USG involvement; that it was found on compromised Ukrainian sites, has code written in "native English", but also signs of LLM authorship. The Google report says the kit they found can't compromise current iOS, which is a capability you'd assume USG would have --- though it's important remember that "USG" comprises dozens of different buyers each with different toolchains.
Maybe this was the Fisheries Department exploit toolkit.
iVerify, which spun out of Trail of Bits and presumably knows what they're talking about, says it bears "hallmarks" of being connected to USG CNE work. I believe it. But the USG is on net a buyer, not a producer, of CNE tooling. Whatever a given service agency or IC arm buys, dozens of other aligned countries are also buying.
(And, of course, the non-aligned countries have their own commercial supply chains).
I don't think the ancient nature of the exploit chain has much bearing on the origin. I think it points away from the actual 2025 campaigns being USG-attached, but I don't think anyone was suggesting that to start with - the Google report makes it pretty clear that they believe the same code was resold to several parties, either in parallel or sequentially, around this time frame.
I think the notion here is that either:
* There's a shared upstream origin or author between this toolkit and the Operation Triangulation toolkit ahead of the use in Operation Triangulation (ie - someone sold this chain to both the Operation Triangulation authors and a third party). I actually think that the uses of specifically structured code-names internally and the overall structure of the codebase described in the Google writeup make this theory less likely; building an exploit toolkit while using these practices to cosplay as a US-government affiliated engineer would be clever and fun, but it's not something we've really seen before.
* This toolkit originated from (whether it was leaked, compromised, or resold) the same actor who was responsible for Operation Triangulation.
Right, I agree with you; my thing is mostly just differentiating between CNE enablement packages the USG itself creates vs CNE enablement packages that are on offer to every USG-aligned country, of which there are a bunch.
How could something as sensitive get out of an administration as competent as the current one? At least they have no access to lets say AI or autonomous weapons and the tools of mass surveillance ...
I guess the technical side is for the bots to find holes in my argument. Anyone with a brain in tech that knows of the US and it's invasion into privacy knows that the US having an iOS "Hacking Toolkit" is nightmare fuel.
I already assumed it did, just glad Wired put it down on paper for the rest of us.
Writing an article that "it's escaped the hands of the US government and into the hands of foreign hands" doesn't change my opinion of the abuse of power.
Citation: Edward Snowden - Present Day (Flock, etc)
I think the downvotes come from the friction of the language used and the lack of sources to back the claim. If you linked some stories, it would add some weight to the statement.
How many people on this site are unaware of the amount of times the government's courts have found its executive, legislative, (and lower judicial) branches acting without authority?
How many people on this site are unaware of the extent to which we are monitored? And openly? We have an entire agency whose primary task is to mass surveil.
I think all the things are true at the same time... that most people already believe it, they don't need sources in this instance, but they still don't like the way the comment was worded.
Unfortunately, I think that's likely the case for anyone on the younger side. Most of that came to light in 2013, 13 years ago. Anyone 20-30 years old today would've been a teenager then in high school, and likely not paying attention very closely.
It was big news for a little bit, and then the media by design quickly forgot about it barely a year later, and that is why history is doomed to repeat.
I'm very concerned about bugdoors and very grateful to Snowden, but I don't remember a specific example of a software bugdoor that was disclosed there or identified as such as a result of his revelations. Do you have an example? I don't think the Dual-EC DRBG counts here.
This happened later than Snowden, but is an example of an unsettling revelation.
A bug has existed for many years in Apple devices, until a few years ago, when it has been discovered accidentally by some victims, which has forced Apple to fix it, after several CVEs where assigned to it and associated software bugs.
The bug consisted that some secret test registers, which allowed a complete bypass of all memory protection, were left accessible after production. Thus knowledgeable attackers could take control remotely of an iPhone, for many years, in a completely undetectable way, by sending an invisible message, which then exploited some bugs in Apple system libraries to gain privileged access to the secret test registers, which were then used for complete access to any hardware, including stored files, video camera and microphone.
This backdoor was discovered only because some victims became suspicious due to unexpectedly high Internet traffic originating from their iPhone, which was recorded by an external firewall.
This was discussed on HN after its discovery.
It is hard to believe that such a mistake like forgetting to disable the test registers after production could have happened and it also would have never been discovered for many years, without some Apple insider intentionally doing it.
Moreover, the unknown attackers who have exploited the backdoor for many years had complete knowledge about the secret test registers, which is likely to have been provided by an Apple insider, perhaps the same who has ensured that they remain accessible.
Hopefully, the backdoor has been created only by some lower-rank employee, and it was not created with the knowledge of the management, due to some request from a TLA. It is unknown whether the backdoor has been open in all Apple devices, or only in those sold in certain markets.
When the backdoor was discovered, it was used to spy on some Russians, so some US agency or one from Israel were among the possible exploiters of it (this was before the current war).
No, anyone who remembers the Best Buy/FBI debacle knows that this statement is very well-grounded in reality. If you took your laptop to Best Buy for repairs, the FBI got a copy of your hard drive contents.
Nowhere in that entire case does anyone allege that the FBI was regularly being sent entire copies of the hard drive contents of best buy customers.
The FBI merely taught workers how to identify and report CSAM. There is nothing illegal about that.
EFF only sued because their FOIA request for info about their training process was denied, and after the FBI argued why they shouldn't grant the request, EFF agreed and backed down.
Not only did the EFF agree to dismiss the case, their blog post claim of a supposed Fourth Amendment violation was never even argued in any of their filings at all.
In my opinion, to construe a simple disagreement/misunderstanding over a FOIA request denial (which was proven as legal and justified) as "If you took your laptop to Best Buy for repairs, the FBI got a copy of your hard drive contents"... is patently and demonstrably false, and does not make any sense whatsoever.
So you think in this case the EFF was wrong? It seems that way, but I'm not sure I fully understand what you meant. Why wouldn't the training process be public?
Another thing is that while perhaps entire copies of customers' hard drives weren't sent to the FBI, the Best Buy repair staff dug through the contents of people's hard drives. If I have a software issue with my OS (or whatever the repairs were about), I wouldn't expect the repair staff to look at my photos. Obviously, is CP was set as the wallpaper or something, you can't miss it, but why is it OK to look into random folders looking for suspicious files?
You’re making the same mistake the EFF’s post wants you to make.
Employees were trained on how to identify and respond to CSAM. The training material was not released based on the FOIA request.
That doesn’t imply that the employees were poking around above and beyond where they had to look to do their job, and it doesn’t imply that full copies of your hard drive are being copied to the FBI.
No matter the risk, I must carry my smartphone everywhere and install every app. It would be unimaginable to have the urge to look something up, but then wait to do it later until I'm using a real computer. No negative outcome will EVER shake my deep, permanent need to carry a smartphone all the time and use it for as much as possible.
You forgot the urge we all share to store all our login information on our phone, to exclusively use it for banking, to take and store all our sensitive photos and videos, to exclusively use it for any kind of communication, to keep the microphone and camera intact and to leave our phone on 24/7 next to us.
Seriously, what's the worst that could happen with an internet connected closed down device that holds all our information and has a microphone and camera? People must be just paranoid.
A VPN won't help you if your device is compromised. A VPN won't help you if the server is compromised. A VPN won't help you if the VPN is compromised.
I really wish people would understand that VPNs are not magical, unbreakable security. VPNs are barely security at all, and commercial VPNs even less so.
Ironically, the exploits in this leaked kit all involved flaws in webkit, so you'd have been safer sticking to native apps assuming they didn't have any webviews in them to load the malicious site.
> In total, Coruna takes advantage of 23 distinct vulnerabilities in iOS, a rare collection of hacking components that suggests it was created by a well-resourced, likely state-sponsored group of hackers.
People have been hacking iOS since before it was called iOS and they weren't necessarily "well-resourced, likely state-sponsored". See geohot
https://archive.ph/r7jGc
It seems as though you can basically do anything in this administration if the money is right, so selling state secrets free of punishment sounds about right to me.
The rule of law does appear to be dead, instead it's a protection racket system in the US these days.
To me, it's just another example of what the poor and marginalized in this country have known for generations, finally catching up to the comfortable class. It's easier to count the institutions that AREN'T pay-to-play, especially those associated with the law and courts.
Know what's fun? Facing down a trained attorney as a pro se litigant in small claims court. Want to beat the 70-90% loss rate for pro se litigants in a forum that was originally designed specifically for pro se litigants? Hire a lawyer, lol.
Small claims, true to the name, is the lowest of low stakes. It's downhill from there.
It has been for decades now, they are just open and blatant now because the corruption is so deep rooted that there is little average people can do except choose to burn down the house around themselves.
This administration has taken it to a whole new level -- basically an organized crime syndicate.
The system has always been corrupt in that the rich write the rules but this is pure kleptocracy. Remember that Nixon was told by his own party that his conduct was unacceptable and they would not support him...
Nixon also got pardoned and faced no real repercussions for his actions other than leaving. Again, I very much believe we have been this corrupt for many decades, it is only the visibility of the corruption that has changed. What few actions against corruption we have seen was just good PR work, as evident by its lack of teeth in sentencing and complete lack of any enforcement or investigation against anyone with money or political power.
I think that it's wholly incorrect to argue it has not gotten worse. The government has always been corrupt, true. They have gotten far more open and brazen about it, true. But they are also far more grotesquely corrupt in outright disgusting ways, which is different. No other president has just gifted themselves billions of dollars of taxpayer money. No other president has bulldozed the whitehouse for open ended self gratification projects on the scale Trump as. No other president has openly run family-centric money laundering schemes of this magnitude, or openly accepted foreign bribes, etc etc etc.
It was always corrupt but my word, you can't say that it's the same corruption just more exposed.
> “These zero-day and exploit brokers tend to be unscrupulous," says Cole. “They sell to the highest bidder and they double dip. Many don’t have exclusivity arrangements. That’s very likely what happened here.”
I interpreted this a different way - that a shady supplier to the US Government double dipped to the other side.
You can get it for free if you have the right blackmail material.
> this administration
and the one before it, and the one before that, and the one before that, and so on. that's politics and there is nothing new under the sun
Hierarchies can punish this. Note that the legislature and judicial branches exert their power. Epstein files got released if you need proof.
(However, if we are International Systems Realists, there are inevitable effects that happen. I have a feeling even Biden/Harris would be in Iran right now.)
Some got released, and in the way the Executive wanted them to be.
This proves the opposite IMO - while the Legislative is co-opted, the Judicial branch has shown it is quite inadequate exerting control or punishment of the Executive.
> Google also notes that Coruna checks if an iOS devices has Apple's most stringent security setting, known as Lockdown Mode, enabled, and doesn’t attempt to hack it if so.
> Google also notes that Coruna checks if an iOS devices has Apple's most stringent security setting, known as Lockdown Mode, enabled, and doesn’t attempt to hack it if so.
:)
So, under which government was this hacking toolkit developed?
> US Government iPhone-Hacking Toolkit in foreign spy and criminal hands
Why repeat yourself ? (US Government, criminal hands)
Binders with classified information were hosted in a bathroom at a country club, so…you know…
With this administration? Color me unsurprised.
“The Coruna Virus”. Nice.
does tahoe 26.3 protect against this?
> Google notes that Apple patched vulnerabilities used by Coruna in the latest versions of its mobile operating system, iOS 26, so its exploitation techniques are only confirmed to work against iOS 13 through 17.2.1.
thanks! sorry I meant to say IOS 26.3
Trump ruined America's reputation forever imho.
He keeps changing his mind every day and keeps talking bullshit. At this point the trashy drug dealer trying to sell to school kids is more reputable than the USA
No, Trump did not ruin America's reputation. No matter how many billions he steals, how many kids he rapes, how many Americans his terror squads execute, one man cannot ruin America's reputation. What has ruined America's reputation is all of the people continuing to support and enable this sick man - from the politicians and surveillance industry titans who are in on the con, to the grassroots supporters who won't set aside their (understandable!) grievances and would rather see our country destroyed. That is who has ruined America's reputation.
Americas reputation was ruined by decades of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of human rights at massive scales - and the American peoples' utter inability to reign in their own very, very real war criminals. Trump is just one in a long, long line of American war criminals who should long ago have faced justice in The Hague.
Americans can't understand this because Americans hate being embarrassed by their states' misdeeds, but its very real. The rest of the world sees the crimes, even if American's are too cowardly to also do so ..
But was it really, though?
Don't get me wrong - I've long shared your condemnations, even as an American! Although for us who acknowledge them, I wouldn't say it's "too cowardly" - rather we're quite disenfranchised and the cognitive dissonance tendency is for Americans to see the government as something apart from themselves. So it's more like that I can't practically do much about these criminals acting in my name.
But I mean, the global community basically gave a Nobel Peace Prize to Obama for not being Bush. I'd say the relationships got patched up pretty quickly there. Global domestic surveillance? So nice for the US to take the heat for FVEY et al.
If anything starting a war in Iran is back to business as usual, with (the leadership of) most countries seemingly giving a tacit green light.
The Novel prize was a classic act of duplicity designed to booster his PR while he massacred innocents at a heinous rate. The rest of the world saw this Novel prize for what it is: a fallacy.
And, more to the point - both Ukraine and Iran demonstrate that the USA isn't really that concerned with human rights.
> The rest of the world saw this Novel prize for what it is: a fallacy
But that Nobel prize came from "the rest of the world" ? It seems that you're conflating other countries' governments/elites, and grassroots.
It came from an elite Western imperial group which has the blood of millions on its hands, anyway, which anyone looking at Nobel as a propaganda mechanism can see quite clearly. Other countries were, indeed, bullied into accepting the US' illegal war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of human rights at immense scale, because the US is a bully which uses its formidable military industrial complex to subdue nations considered inferior by America's ruling elite.
Whenever I point out that Apple's "security by obscurity" strategy is a complete failure I get downvotes.
Person suspecting their iPhone has been hacked has no way to check it. Apple only offer cope mechanism in form of "lockdown mode", which likely can be bypassed just as well.
This situation shows that Apple devices are not secure and liability.
They'll likely protect your grandma from getting low effort malware, but if you are a CEO - buy something else.
What do you mean by "security by obscurity"? What's your comparand that doesn't have the same software defects iPhone-targeting CNE is exploiting?
One for instance is that Apple doesn't offer an API for deep system scanning. So if your phone is infected, you have no way of knowing this, because there is no software that can scan it. You cannot trust it.
Or things like Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) Apple has implemented, but they have not released specification and implementation details, so you don't know if it has backdoors.
> So if your phone is infected, you have no way of knowing this, because there is no software that can scan it. You cannot trust it.
Not true. There are commercial apps that can scan your iPhone for vulnerabilities and exploits [1]. Apple goes through ridiculous lengths regarding security on their platforms [2].
> Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) Apple has implemented, but they have not released the specification.
It's based on the Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) added to the ARMv8.5 architecture in 2019, co-designed by ARM and Google [3]. MTE support has recently been added to Android 12+ and some Linux distros like recent Fedora and Ubuntu 24.04.
Apple's Memory Integrity Enforcement (MIE) is based on MTE. Now that Apple designs its own ARM-based processors, they used MTE as a starting point for Apple Silicon. The iPhone 17 series and the iPhone Air shipped with MIE enabled in September.
The point of these technologies is to enable software that hasn't been written in memory-safe languages (many millions of lines of C, C++, etc. that will never be rewritten) to run safely.
Although it's starting to change, the vast majority of the rendering engines used by Safari, Chrome, and Firefox are written in C/C++; so it makes sense to address potential browser vulnerabilities at the hardware level.
[1]: https://iverify.io/products/enterprise-protection
[2]: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/toc
[3]: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/login_sum...
I don't think you know what security by obscurity is.
He sure doesn’t.
> A person suspecting their iPhone has been hacked has no way to check it. Apple only offers a cope mechanism in the form of "lockdown mode", which likely can be bypassed just as well.
In the past, Apple alerted users (journalists, political activists, dissidents) when a "state-level actor" attempted to hack their iPhones [1].
Apparently, the FBI couldn't get past Lockdown Mode: FBI stymied by Apple’s Lockdown Mode after seizing journalist’s iPhone [2]"
And don't forget about Memory Integrity Enforcement (MIE) that debuted on iPhone 17 and iPhone Air [3]:
MIE is described as the industry's first always-on, comprehensive memory safety protection, built on the Enhanced Memory Tagging Extension (EMTE) in synchronous mode, combined with secure typed allocators and tag confidentiality protections.
[1]: https://www.sentinelone.com/blog/so-state-sponsored-attacker...
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/fbi-stymied-by-a...
[3]: https://security.apple.com/blog/memory-integrity-enforcement
Yes, Apple controls who gets alerted about security breach. This means not everyone with compromised phone will get alerted. You are still in the dark.
Maybe they could maybe they couldn't, doesn't mean criminals couldn't.
MIE is opaque - Apple has not disclosed its design - it also means it can contain intentional backdoors and other security holes.
In other words this is just meaningless PR and doesn't change the fact that Apple's security is poor.
Whenever I point out that Apple's "security by obscurity" strategy is a complete failure I get downvotes.
Maybe because you apparently don’t know what “security by obscurity” means? Regardless, what’s your recommendation for “buy something else”?
"Possible" stripped from the headline on HN. That word seems particularly important given that it's speculative:
"Clues suggest it was originally built for the US government."
The Google threat analysis report doesn't say anything about USG involvement; that it was found on compromised Ukrainian sites, has code written in "native English", but also signs of LLM authorship. The Google report says the kit they found can't compromise current iOS, which is a capability you'd assume USG would have --- though it's important remember that "USG" comprises dozens of different buyers each with different toolchains.
Maybe this was the Fisheries Department exploit toolkit.
iVerify, which spun out of Trail of Bits and presumably knows what they're talking about, says it bears "hallmarks" of being connected to USG CNE work. I believe it. But the USG is on net a buyer, not a producer, of CNE tooling. Whatever a given service agency or IC arm buys, dozens of other aligned countries are also buying.
(And, of course, the non-aligned countries have their own commercial supply chains).
I don't think the ancient nature of the exploit chain has much bearing on the origin. I think it points away from the actual 2025 campaigns being USG-attached, but I don't think anyone was suggesting that to start with - the Google report makes it pretty clear that they believe the same code was resold to several parties, either in parallel or sequentially, around this time frame.
I think the notion here is that either:
* There's a shared upstream origin or author between this toolkit and the Operation Triangulation toolkit ahead of the use in Operation Triangulation (ie - someone sold this chain to both the Operation Triangulation authors and a third party). I actually think that the uses of specifically structured code-names internally and the overall structure of the codebase described in the Google writeup make this theory less likely; building an exploit toolkit while using these practices to cosplay as a US-government affiliated engineer would be clever and fun, but it's not something we've really seen before.
* This toolkit originated from (whether it was leaked, compromised, or resold) the same actor who was responsible for Operation Triangulation.
Right, I agree with you; my thing is mostly just differentiating between CNE enablement packages the USG itself creates vs CNE enablement packages that are on offer to every USG-aligned country, of which there are a bunch.
> Maybe this was the Fisheries Department exploit toolkit.
buried lede, but hilarious
The title limit is 80 chars, if anyone wants to figure out a decent way to squeeze possibility back in there.
A US Govt iPhone-hacking suite is now possibly in criminal hands
15 chars to spare!
I think the "possibly" is supposed to mean "possibly produced by the US government"
Good point.
“Possible US-Gov-made iPhone-hacking toolkit is now in foreign and criminal hands“ ?
We try to avoid abbreviations if possible. You spurred me to take another crack at it and I think it worked this time? Happy to edit again if not...
Good point, that was also struck by the comment that it's infected "tens of thousands" phones. That's a minuscule rounding error.
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How could something as sensitive get out of an administration as competent as the current one? At least they have no access to lets say AI or autonomous weapons and the tools of mass surveillance ...
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lol at all the downvotes, proves my point
you're just on a technical site, so readers want citations for conjectures, because the readers generally and genuinely want to learn more
edit: sibling comment agrees
I guess the technical side is for the bots to find holes in my argument. Anyone with a brain in tech that knows of the US and it's invasion into privacy knows that the US having an iOS "Hacking Toolkit" is nightmare fuel.
I already assumed it did, just glad Wired put it down on paper for the rest of us.
Writing an article that "it's escaped the hands of the US government and into the hands of foreign hands" doesn't change my opinion of the abuse of power.
Citation: Edward Snowden - Present Day (Flock, etc)
heh, saying hitler was a war criminal requires citations?
I think the downvotes come from the friction of the language used and the lack of sources to back the claim. If you linked some stories, it would add some weight to the statement.
How many people on this site are unaware of the amount of times the government's courts have found its executive, legislative, (and lower judicial) branches acting without authority?
How many people on this site are unaware of the extent to which we are monitored? And openly? We have an entire agency whose primary task is to mass surveil.
I think all the things are true at the same time... that most people already believe it, they don't need sources in this instance, but they still don't like the way the comment was worded.
Have we already forgotten about Edward Snowden & the NSA?
Unfortunately, I think that's likely the case for anyone on the younger side. Most of that came to light in 2013, 13 years ago. Anyone 20-30 years old today would've been a teenager then in high school, and likely not paying attention very closely.
It was big news for a little bit, and then the media by design quickly forgot about it barely a year later, and that is why history is doomed to repeat.
No, but there are a lot of employees of 3 letter agencies in here and they don't like the noise.
the government doesn't have superpowerful code crackers though
it has a guy working at apple who introduces the subtle vulnerability he is instructed to do
I expect the evidence for this claim is axiomatic, which is to say that you think it sounds good.
Hello, have you heard of the Snowden revelations? What OP was referring to are called bugdoors.
I'm very concerned about bugdoors and very grateful to Snowden, but I don't remember a specific example of a software bugdoor that was disclosed there or identified as such as a result of his revelations. Do you have an example? I don't think the Dual-EC DRBG counts here.
This happened later than Snowden, but is an example of an unsettling revelation.
A bug has existed for many years in Apple devices, until a few years ago, when it has been discovered accidentally by some victims, which has forced Apple to fix it, after several CVEs where assigned to it and associated software bugs.
The bug consisted that some secret test registers, which allowed a complete bypass of all memory protection, were left accessible after production. Thus knowledgeable attackers could take control remotely of an iPhone, for many years, in a completely undetectable way, by sending an invisible message, which then exploited some bugs in Apple system libraries to gain privileged access to the secret test registers, which were then used for complete access to any hardware, including stored files, video camera and microphone.
This backdoor was discovered only because some victims became suspicious due to unexpectedly high Internet traffic originating from their iPhone, which was recorded by an external firewall.
This was discussed on HN after its discovery.
It is hard to believe that such a mistake like forgetting to disable the test registers after production could have happened and it also would have never been discovered for many years, without some Apple insider intentionally doing it.
Moreover, the unknown attackers who have exploited the backdoor for many years had complete knowledge about the secret test registers, which is likely to have been provided by an Apple insider, perhaps the same who has ensured that they remain accessible.
Hopefully, the backdoor has been created only by some lower-rank employee, and it was not created with the knowledge of the management, due to some request from a TLA. It is unknown whether the backdoor has been open in all Apple devices, or only in those sold in certain markets.
When the backdoor was discovered, it was used to spy on some Russians, so some US agency or one from Israel were among the possible exploiters of it (this was before the current war).
No, anyone who remembers the Best Buy/FBI debacle knows that this statement is very well-grounded in reality. If you took your laptop to Best Buy for repairs, the FBI got a copy of your hard drive contents.
Source:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/fbi-best-buy-geek-...
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-fbi-paid-geek-squad-employe...
https://www.eff.org/cases/fbi-geek-squad-informants-foia-sui...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/if-a-best...
I read the filings.
Nowhere in that entire case does anyone allege that the FBI was regularly being sent entire copies of the hard drive contents of best buy customers.
The FBI merely taught workers how to identify and report CSAM. There is nothing illegal about that.
EFF only sued because their FOIA request for info about their training process was denied, and after the FBI argued why they shouldn't grant the request, EFF agreed and backed down.
Not only did the EFF agree to dismiss the case, their blog post claim of a supposed Fourth Amendment violation was never even argued in any of their filings at all.
In my opinion, to construe a simple disagreement/misunderstanding over a FOIA request denial (which was proven as legal and justified) as "If you took your laptop to Best Buy for repairs, the FBI got a copy of your hard drive contents"... is patently and demonstrably false, and does not make any sense whatsoever.
So you think in this case the EFF was wrong? It seems that way, but I'm not sure I fully understand what you meant. Why wouldn't the training process be public?
Another thing is that while perhaps entire copies of customers' hard drives weren't sent to the FBI, the Best Buy repair staff dug through the contents of people's hard drives. If I have a software issue with my OS (or whatever the repairs were about), I wouldn't expect the repair staff to look at my photos. Obviously, is CP was set as the wallpaper or something, you can't miss it, but why is it OK to look into random folders looking for suspicious files?
You’re making the same mistake the EFF’s post wants you to make.
Employees were trained on how to identify and respond to CSAM. The training material was not released based on the FOIA request.
That doesn’t imply that the employees were poking around above and beyond where they had to look to do their job, and it doesn’t imply that full copies of your hard drive are being copied to the FBI.
Ok. I didn't make the claim and I'm not arguing this with you. You asked for sources and I assumed good faith. I was mistaken.
You should expect more, unless you have evidence that conclusively discredits the claim.
haha yeah, thanks for the compliment
Yeah. TAO was intercepting Cisco routers in transit and installing implants.
The leap from supply chain interdiction to cooperative insiders isn't a big one.
> Cisco routers
famously known for their backdoors.
Those two are not mutually exclusive.
Meanwhile last time I checked, Android bug bounty is higher.
iPhone makes you an easy target. Sorry Besos, security through obscurity was a bad idea... but you should have known better.
Sorry who?
No matter the risk, I must carry my smartphone everywhere and install every app. It would be unimaginable to have the urge to look something up, but then wait to do it later until I'm using a real computer. No negative outcome will EVER shake my deep, permanent need to carry a smartphone all the time and use it for as much as possible.
You forgot the urge we all share to store all our login information on our phone, to exclusively use it for banking, to take and store all our sensitive photos and videos, to exclusively use it for any kind of communication, to keep the microphone and camera intact and to leave our phone on 24/7 next to us.
Seriously, what's the worst that could happen with an internet connected closed down device that holds all our information and has a microphone and camera? People must be just paranoid.
Webapps exist for a reason, they don't get all the special permissions apps get when fully installed.
at the very least use a VPN / more secure phone like a pixel with graphene
You keep doing you though
A VPN won't help you if your device is compromised. A VPN won't help you if the server is compromised. A VPN won't help you if the VPN is compromised.
I really wish people would understand that VPNs are not magical, unbreakable security. VPNs are barely security at all, and commercial VPNs even less so.
oh 100% agree here, I was just confused at the OP comments evangelism of installing and keeping his phone on his for those quick fix google searches
Ironically, the exploits in this leaked kit all involved flaws in webkit, so you'd have been safer sticking to native apps assuming they didn't have any webviews in them to load the malicious site.
WebView is the worst experience I have on any smart phone or mobile app.
The fact that there is no option so that any webview by default opens in safari across all app in ios is horrible.
i am not surprised it is riddled with security holes.
> In total, Coruna takes advantage of 23 distinct vulnerabilities in iOS, a rare collection of hacking components that suggests it was created by a well-resourced, likely state-sponsored group of hackers.
People have been hacking iOS since before it was called iOS and they weren't necessarily "well-resourced, likely state-sponsored". See geohot
im[ns]ho, people want desperately to believe that only state funded actors can possess that kind of power.
Point taken, but in fairness, it has gotten way more expensive. This isn't the platform Geohot jailbroke anymore.