Jmail maintainer and co-creator here. Very excited to see that someone finally made Jemini good!
Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.
Great, I've been looking to be able to contact you somewhere, hardly a better place :) Thanks for sharing the project btw, and for keeping jmail alive, been useful to dig into some stuff.
For that example, the first problem is that there is no link to the source file from the disclosed files, which is strange, because most other emails have that. Secondly, this almost seems to be a "sponsored" email or something, as it has an ad in the top right corner reading "Sponsored by Drop Site News", but clicking that just takes you to some general page, with no clear information how that's related to the fake/injected email. Also, what does "Verified by X" actually mean, did they verify the authenticity of that specific email?
There seems to be a bunch of people confused by those emails and wondering where they are coming from, because it's missing the source link like the others, so there doesn't seem to be a good way to verify those emails. Could you maybe share a bit about what's going on?
Also, that says "Verified by Drop Site News", not Sponsored by. That's because Drop Site redacted these real Yahoo emails and gave them to Jmail. The original Yahoo dataset, which the DOJ and House Oversight Committee did not release, is stewarded by DDoSecrets (https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails).
Has a "View Original Document" which takes you to kind-of-the-source (ideally should have been link to justice.gov but better than nothing I suppose), but for the emails with the Dropsite ad, it seems there is no original document?
Many Yahoo emails do show you the original source, and the original is just an EML file. These were files directly exported from Epstein's Yahoo account. Bloomberg used these EMLs to confirm that the Yahoo emails are real (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-12/epstei...).
We don't tamper with these EMLs, so we currently don't make the EML accessible if the team had to redact any contents of that email.
That’s just a campaign email with “Pedophiles” as the recipient name, right? Anyone can sign an email address up to a mailing list. All of Trump’s campaign emails are these type of overly friendly weird junk.
Sure, but the email itself doesn't seem to be a part of the archives of Epstein's emails (which would be an issue), it seems like it has been added manually by the admins of Jmail, as it's not coming from the files that were recently released.
“The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases”
If I understand correctly, the emails you’re looking at are from a leak that is only accessible to journalists — so Drop Site News (as journalists) have access and have published some.
Is it possible to make jmail open source? Would love to contribute! e.g., the search functionality is quite poor with little filtering available. Jtube doesn't let you sort by views etc etc
You guys are doing awesome stuff. I was in the process of loading all of the documents into a vector database to query and then you dropped Jemini.
I wanted to reach out and avoid duplication of efforts, but I didn't know the best person to reach out to for this or if this is anything that can be collaborated on.
The Jamazon interface is really nice. I like how clicking on the order number takes you to the email. But I'm not going spend much time on there, after seeing his order for Lolita next to orders for kid toys.
>Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read.
>but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.
I am obviously not defending him or anything, but it always puzzles me how any of this confuses people. Whoever we may be, we are also humans, sharing common human traits and habits, and other people are just as real as we are. Every living moment, you unavoidably share at least some of the common beliefs, ideas, preferences, biases, habits, norms, values, goals, desires, fears, tastes, jokes, expectations, opinions and more with people you'd otherwise absolutely abhor.
It's very disconcerting to think that this "innocent" toy or clothing I see my children playing with as "tainted" by this monster. Suddenly he's not just some nebulous monster out there, but in some way the idea of him is here with my children, arousing protective instincts without anything in particular to direct that energy towards.
It also shows him as a human like other humans, which then makes me ponder is that person walking down the street also a monster? Could I become a monster like Epstein?
I really do wish more people in society would think about this - "The Banality of Evil" and all that. Maybe then we'd all be better at preventing the spread of this kind of evil.
Yea every other use case beyond feeding the hysterical Epstein conspiracy machine has been totally worthless. All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid.
On the other hand, providing more fuel for sweaty basement dwellers to invent fake stories about elite lizard people while trashing the civil liberties of thousands of random innocents contacted by this dude? I can think of no better use case.
Upvoting for making me feel sane. I don't understand the level of attention paid to this shit, and it makes the people invested in it seem orders of magnitude more perverted than the financier himself is purported to be.
And he's dead and he's been dead for a long time, and people still paying daily attention to this are being played for laughs and having their rage strip-mined.
He is but everyone else who participated is very much alive and yet to face any accountability and justice. Do you genuinely not understand why people would be outraged that "leaders of the free world", namely Trump and the rest of the US government that's been keeping a lid on this, are just a bunch of unaccountable sex-trafficking pedophiles?
Whatever is left of the western social contract is disintegrating in front of us and the reaction of our societies has been extremely mild if anything - there should be mass protests over revelations of this magnitude.
And that's the direction the conversation always turns. You literally don't have any influence over that, neither do I. We have judges for that. The man died 7 years ago now, and the ongoing drip-feed of additional salacious information is transparently only still happening to piss you off and make sure you stay mad. Holding the perpetrators responsible here is not my job, and it's probably not yours, and I personally don't enjoy reading about these crimes for fun as much as the front page of HN apparently does.
No shit. Do you like talking about child rape every day? Is that fun for you? Are you tickled seeing "CHILD RAPE UPDATES" in 72-point second coming font over your morning coffee?
Question: Does Blues Traveler appear in the Epstein files?
Blues Traveler
Answer:
Yes, "Blues Traveler" appears in the files, but not in a way that directly connects the band to Jeffrey Epstein or his activities.
Key Findings:
XM Radio Mention: An email from "XM Signal" dated July 8, 2008, mentions a "Starbucks XM Café Live with Blues Traveler" event. [1] This appears to be a reference to a broadcast or performance by the band on XM Satellite Radio.
Analysis:
The searches did not reveal any direct involvement of the band "Blues Traveler" with Jeffrey Epstein or his associates. The mention found is in the context of a radio event.
It's important to distinguish this from the multiple mentions of "Blue Water Café," which is a restaurant and appears in several travel itineraries. [2][3][4]
Further Investigation:
If you have a specific reason to believe "Blues Traveler" might be connected, please provide more details. For instance, was there a particular event, person, or date you had in mind? This could help refine the search.
After playing around with vector db's for a bit, I got tired of this sort of thing.
There's a reason most of the industry has switched to letting agents grep + navigate within the results.
Come to think of it, it's probably the same reason "intelligent" search engines were so consistently hated by end users, and never really panned out during the early 2000's.
When LLMs first came out, my initial impulse, though I didn't pursue it, was that the summarization function was ideal for sorting through FOIA requests. So glad to see stuff like this come to fruition.
Brilliant. This is like the internet at its peak (to me) where it was all about building neat things and helping people. Just a bunch of engineers saying they are not planning to look away from the Epstein files. More projects like this, please.
Finally, this is a great use-case of vibe-coding: making hard to parse data accessible and understandable for the public. Though it's unfortunate it appears not to be open-source.
> The search failed because there was an internal server error (status 500) when trying to access the document search tool. The web search also did not return any usable results.
Interesting stuff! I'm also slowly diving into the whole Epstein thing, mainly focused on a human-curated wiki (at https://corroborators.wiki, still WIP obviously) and I've had some contributors wanting to use AI for basically filling out details automatically. But I'm using LLMs daily for programming, so I know how much they get wrong.
So about that specific thing, how do you avoid this particular problems with LLMs getting basic things wrong and basically being a lottery if the answer is correct or not? It's the reason I've avoided (and encouraged others to avoid it to) using LLMs too heavily in the process of reading, understanding and summarizing documents, but clearly you've must have figured out some trick to this?
Why on earth does he have CPAP pipes, an oxygen concentrator, and a pulse oximeter? This is dated 2019 so I assume he was having sleep apnea, but in my nightmares I assume he's keeping someone in a coma.
What a crazy subthread. You identified an obvious normal reason for him to have those things and then invented another reason, and then people agreed with you.
I don't know how much more cynicism I can achieve, but now I can access the data I need to build it up at super human speed! I'm thinking I'll surpass last-days George Carlin by Midsummer Eve.
Great! This, along with Webb, the other Epstein AI tool, are amazing effort to find documents. The way you link to files instead of just outputing an answer is amazing. Great works!
for another angle - depending on the provider, theyre going to train on these queries and responses, and i dont want folks training an Epstein LLM, or accidentally putting Epstein behaviour into LLMs
I was just thinking today how I wonder what kind of abliterated models the US security apparatus is cooking up and what they're using them for. These kinds of things were a lot more fun when they were just silly dan brown novels and not real horrors on earth.
AFAIK, nation-state LLM's are likely using models that don't need to be abliterated. Why introduce a step that cripples their performance? Do you truly need refusals when trying to figure out zero days? I might need to watch Psycho Pass again.
It links to the original documents released by the DOJ.
Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news.
Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible.
Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have.
But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship.
IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s.
That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.
We also are working on crowdsourcing methods, but it's hard because almost everyone involved in the development of this project is a volunteer that either works for a company already or is a startup founder (me)... so is very tricky to find time.
You don't really need a LLM for that. The discourse around the files is filled with allegations/implications of guilt based on spurious factors like number of mentions.
I wonder if we can trust Gemini to do its job well here? Whoever is being protected in those files obviously has the power to compel governments to do what they want - if Gemini started being a threat, I bet it would get some "alignment" help. Certainly its findings would be reported, as well as the identity of whoever was doing the prompting
Jmail maintainer and co-creator here. Very excited to see that someone finally made Jemini good!
Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.
> Jmail maintainer and co-creator here.
Great, I've been looking to be able to contact you somewhere, hardly a better place :) Thanks for sharing the project btw, and for keeping jmail alive, been useful to dig into some stuff.
However, there seems to be some "injected" or "fake" emails, that I cannot figure out why they're there in the first place. For example this one: https://jmail.world/thread/55b91b46ef1e4487bee131a8505e14a4?...
For that example, the first problem is that there is no link to the source file from the disclosed files, which is strange, because most other emails have that. Secondly, this almost seems to be a "sponsored" email or something, as it has an ad in the top right corner reading "Sponsored by Drop Site News", but clicking that just takes you to some general page, with no clear information how that's related to the fake/injected email. Also, what does "Verified by X" actually mean, did they verify the authenticity of that specific email?
There seems to be a bunch of people confused by those emails and wondering where they are coming from, because it's missing the source link like the others, so there doesn't seem to be a good way to verify those emails. Could you maybe share a bit about what's going on?
Yeah, those are mailing lists that people signed him up for after he died, including with a joke name.
He was a very famous figure in August 2019, and normal people spammed his inbox with emails like the below
https://jmail.world/thread/4accfb5f3ed84656e9762740081a4579?...
These are all real emails! We can do a better job making this clear to the user.
Also, that says "Verified by Drop Site News", not Sponsored by. That's because Drop Site redacted these real Yahoo emails and gave them to Jmail. The original Yahoo dataset, which the DOJ and House Oversight Committee did not release, is stewarded by DDoSecrets (https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails).
This Yahoo dataset, which we helped release after launching the first Jmail, also proved Epstein's connection to Iran-Contra (!!). Now immortalized on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Financial_trou...)
> These are all real emails!
Why do the rest of the emails provide a link to the online file (original one hosted at justice.gov) but the "sponsored"/ad ones do not?
This for example: https://jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_016203?view=inbox
Has a "View Original Document" which takes you to kind-of-the-source (ideally should have been link to justice.gov but better than nothing I suppose), but for the emails with the Dropsite ad, it seems there is no original document?
https://jmail.world/thread/07ff1467c0f2bb976664ecafc5829aa4?...
Many Yahoo emails do show you the original source, and the original is just an EML file. These were files directly exported from Epstein's Yahoo account. Bloomberg used these EMLs to confirm that the Yahoo emails are real (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-12/epstei...).
We don't tamper with these EMLs, so we currently don't make the EML accessible if the team had to redact any contents of that email.
See this for example.
https://jmail.world/thread/97d4a52d1df3948368770068262d2aab?...
We can fix examples where there are no redactions yet no EML download is available
That’s just a campaign email with “Pedophiles” as the recipient name, right? Anyone can sign an email address up to a mailing list. All of Trump’s campaign emails are these type of overly friendly weird junk.
Sure, but the email itself doesn't seem to be a part of the archives of Epstein's emails (which would be an issue), it seems like it has been added manually by the admins of Jmail, as it's not coming from the files that were recently released.
Jmail is a mix of sources.
“The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases”
If I understand correctly, the emails you’re looking at are from a leak that is only accessible to journalists — so Drop Site News (as journalists) have access and have published some.
https://ddosecrets.org/article/epstein-emails
Correct. https://jmail.world/about explains it all.
You guys are going to get a pultizer in journalism at this rate keep it up.
or a FIFA Prize in Journalism at the very least
Will have to be next year, this years Peace Prize has been taken. And beautifully self presented.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obyO4jg3XQI
Is it possible to make jmail open source? Would love to contribute! e.g., the search functionality is quite poor with little filtering available. Jtube doesn't let you sort by views etc etc
You guys are doing awesome stuff. I was in the process of loading all of the documents into a vector database to query and then you dropped Jemini.
I wanted to reach out and avoid duplication of efforts, but I didn't know the best person to reach out to for this or if this is anything that can be collaborated on.
I'm curious what your operational costs are and how we can help. I don't see a donation link anywhere.
https://jmail.world/donate
Recently he said he had a $50k hosting bill but that the CEO of Vercel offered to cover them and help them start some optimization.
I thought The CEO of Vercel was heavily criticized to befriend/support a war criminal.
Both things can be true at once.
Guillermo Rauch being photographed with Netanyahu?
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/415678
I can think of some ways you could benefit the world without spending a cent
Monumental and amazing work. Thank you!
I just wanted to say that you're doing really important work.
The Jamazon interface is really nice. I like how clicking on the order number takes you to the email. But I'm not going spend much time on there, after seeing his order for Lolita next to orders for kid toys.
https://jmail.world/jamazon
Along with the orders for kids school uniform skirts a bit later.. tough viewing in context.
Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read. Hard to swallow having anything in common with such a person.
I would have also assumed he got his clothes from much fancier places than Amazon, considering his wealth. Can't beat two day shipping I guess.
Altogether his Amazon orders are disturbing in places, but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.
>Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read.
>but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.
I am obviously not defending him or anything, but it always puzzles me how any of this confuses people. Whoever we may be, we are also humans, sharing common human traits and habits, and other people are just as real as we are. Every living moment, you unavoidably share at least some of the common beliefs, ideas, preferences, biases, habits, norms, values, goals, desires, fears, tastes, jokes, expectations, opinions and more with people you'd otherwise absolutely abhor.
It's very disconcerting to think that this "innocent" toy or clothing I see my children playing with as "tainted" by this monster. Suddenly he's not just some nebulous monster out there, but in some way the idea of him is here with my children, arousing protective instincts without anything in particular to direct that energy towards.
It also shows him as a human like other humans, which then makes me ponder is that person walking down the street also a monster? Could I become a monster like Epstein?
Such thoughts are very disconcerting
I really do wish more people in society would think about this - "The Banality of Evil" and all that. Maybe then we'd all be better at preventing the spread of this kind of evil.
Jamazon creator here - thank you!
If you like interesting ecom UIs, shamelessly plugging my Show HN from today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47041288
Interesting. The majority of items seems to be books.
It's passing the initial sniff test; this might be the first valuable use of AI I've seen in a good minute
We're also skeptical of how AI is being used. Let us know if you have obvious horrible mistakes so we can fix them.
After 10 years in it, semantic search (where the human is knowledgable enough to verify) has been and still is the most useful field for LLMs.
i know it's hyperbole but come on
Yea every other use case beyond feeding the hysterical Epstein conspiracy machine has been totally worthless. All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid.
On the other hand, providing more fuel for sweaty basement dwellers to invent fake stories about elite lizard people while trashing the civil liberties of thousands of random innocents contacted by this dude? I can think of no better use case.
/s
>All the consumers and companies paying real money for this tech must just be stupid
yes?
cry harder
i can't wait for this epstein crap to end
If you can think of any way to accelerate that, I'm down to help. I'm so tired of these perverts
Upvoting for making me feel sane. I don't understand the level of attention paid to this shit, and it makes the people invested in it seem orders of magnitude more perverted than the financier himself is purported to be.
> purported to be
Convicted to be - proven beyond reasonable doubt. He's a child-trafficking pedophile who plead guilty, with mountains of evidence that are now public.
And he's dead and he's been dead for a long time, and people still paying daily attention to this are being played for laughs and having their rage strip-mined.
He is but everyone else who participated is very much alive and yet to face any accountability and justice. Do you genuinely not understand why people would be outraged that "leaders of the free world", namely Trump and the rest of the US government that's been keeping a lid on this, are just a bunch of unaccountable sex-trafficking pedophiles?
Whatever is left of the western social contract is disintegrating in front of us and the reaction of our societies has been extremely mild if anything - there should be mass protests over revelations of this magnitude.
I think people who are upset about child trafficking aren't nearly as perverted as the guy who fucked children
I'm sure that relativity is very comforting for people constantly drooling over this shit.
Wanting people who abused children to face consequences is not drooling. Why do you want to sweep the sexual abuse of children under the rug?
And that's the direction the conversation always turns. You literally don't have any influence over that, neither do I. We have judges for that. The man died 7 years ago now, and the ongoing drip-feed of additional salacious information is transparently only still happening to piss you off and make sure you stay mad. Holding the perpetrators responsible here is not my job, and it's probably not yours, and I personally don't enjoy reading about these crimes for fun as much as the front page of HN apparently does.
Man you wrote that reading is a hundred times worse than trafficking children, on a text-based website
like if you’re spending a few minutes a day on here reading what are you doing the rest of the time
This is a patently retarded take. The guy was a child rape wholesaler.
No shit. Do you like talking about child rape every day? Is that fun for you? Are you tickled seeing "CHILD RAPE UPDATES" in 72-point second coming font over your morning coffee?
It failed to find a reference: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA001747...
Question: Does Blues Traveler appear in the Epstein files? Blues Traveler
Answer: Yes, "Blues Traveler" appears in the files, but not in a way that directly connects the band to Jeffrey Epstein or his activities.
Key Findings:
XM Radio Mention: An email from "XM Signal" dated July 8, 2008, mentions a "Starbucks XM Café Live with Blues Traveler" event. [1] This appears to be a reference to a broadcast or performance by the band on XM Satellite Radio. Analysis:
The searches did not reveal any direct involvement of the band "Blues Traveler" with Jeffrey Epstein or his associates. The mention found is in the context of a radio event.
It's important to distinguish this from the multiple mentions of "Blue Water Café," which is a restaurant and appears in several travel itineraries. [2][3][4]
Further Investigation:
If you have a specific reason to believe "Blues Traveler" might be connected, please provide more details. For instance, was there a particular event, person, or date you had in mind? This could help refine the search.
After playing around with vector db's for a bit, I got tired of this sort of thing.
There's a reason most of the industry has switched to letting agents grep + navigate within the results.
Come to think of it, it's probably the same reason "intelligent" search engines were so consistently hated by end users, and never really panned out during the early 2000's.
When LLMs first came out, my initial impulse, though I didn't pursue it, was that the summarization function was ideal for sorting through FOIA requests. So glad to see stuff like this come to fruition.
Brilliant. This is like the internet at its peak (to me) where it was all about building neat things and helping people. Just a bunch of engineers saying they are not planning to look away from the Epstein files. More projects like this, please.
Finally, this is a great use-case of vibe-coding: making hard to parse data accessible and understandable for the public. Though it's unfortunate it appears not to be open-source.
Getting 500s now:
> The search failed because there was an internal server error (status 500) when trying to access the document search tool. The web search also did not return any usable results.
This is well made - is it open source?
+1. Would love to contribute!
Interesting stuff! I'm also slowly diving into the whole Epstein thing, mainly focused on a human-curated wiki (at https://corroborators.wiki, still WIP obviously) and I've had some contributors wanting to use AI for basically filling out details automatically. But I'm using LLMs daily for programming, so I know how much they get wrong.
So about that specific thing, how do you avoid this particular problems with LLMs getting basic things wrong and basically being a lottery if the answer is correct or not? It's the reason I've avoided (and encouraged others to avoid it to) using LLMs too heavily in the process of reading, understanding and summarizing documents, but clearly you've must have figured out some trick to this?
Ask it to cite the document and page, and verify it yourself.
Why on earth does he have CPAP pipes, an oxygen concentrator, and a pulse oximeter? This is dated 2019 so I assume he was having sleep apnea, but in my nightmares I assume he's keeping someone in a coma.
Thats an incredibly unsettling thought.
His brother said he had a CPAP machine in his jail cell. (EFTA00113460)
What a crazy subthread. You identified an obvious normal reason for him to have those things and then invented another reason, and then people agreed with you.
Epstein Scandal Update: Epstein sleeps nude in a oxygen tent which he believes gives him SEXUAL POWERS!
I don't know how much more cynicism I can achieve, but now I can access the data I need to build it up at super human speed! I'm thinking I'll surpass last-days George Carlin by Midsummer Eve.
Great! This, along with Webb, the other Epstein AI tool, are amazing effort to find documents. The way you link to files instead of just outputing an answer is amazing. Great works!
A few people i looked up and found in the dataset don't pop up in this. Don't want to mention who here of course...
but the other people cc'ed in the particular emails i found do pop up though. weird.
nice! we scraped the epstein library: https://youtu.be/ahP7fJKEewE?si=82AEodI2bgbsmwR0
Fedorovism at home
This feels like an insanely bad idea.
Interesting, I had the opposite feeling.
Care to elaborate?
for another angle - depending on the provider, theyre going to train on these queries and responses, and i dont want folks training an Epstein LLM, or accidentally putting Epstein behaviour into LLMs
Use an abliterated LLM and you can have it act like the worst person you can imagine.
I'm also pretty sure these docs are already being used for training, whether or not Jmail / Jemini exists.
I was just thinking today how I wonder what kind of abliterated models the US security apparatus is cooking up and what they're using them for. These kinds of things were a lot more fun when they were just silly dan brown novels and not real horrors on earth.
AFAIK, nation-state LLM's are likely using models that don't need to be abliterated. Why introduce a step that cripples their performance? Do you truly need refusals when trying to figure out zero days? I might need to watch Psycho Pass again.
Do you think Elon is working on building some kind of MechaEpstein?
If it's using an LLM it'll make stuff up... about people and sex trafficking.
It links to the original documents released by the DOJ.
Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news.
Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible.
Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have.
But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship.
Disclaimer: I actively work on jmailarchive!
I think that’s a valid stance to take.
IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s.
That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.
We also are working on crowdsourcing methods, but it's hard because almost everyone involved in the development of this project is a volunteer that either works for a company already or is a startup founder (me)... so is very tricky to find time.
Also, feel free to check Jwiki (FKA Jikipedia) at https://jmail.world/wiki
They're using jmail because it's source material. An LLM by definition is not source material. I can't believe you're openly saying this.
You don't really need a LLM for that. The discourse around the files is filled with allegations/implications of guilt based on spurious factors like number of mentions.
Yeah but that's fucking twitter and reddit, this is supposed to be a verifiable source.
Well, considering the nature of all this...if there's anything to hasten full unredacted disclosure, we should absolutely encourage that.
LLMs could never hallucinate anything as shocking as the current reality...
I hope it is not after underaged girls
this ai is too much "aligned" to return anything of value, considering the content it has to look into and the questions it needs to answer.
Bring your own key and use Claude. We found that it's most willing to run deep research queries here.
Which model is being used? Is there an unrestricted open weight model that could be used?
They should use Grok, it feels the most open out of the big 4
What do you mean?
As in, OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google's models won't follow instructions regarding forensics for this?
Who here is naive enough to think that this little loop hole hasn't been nicely tied off?
I wonder if we can trust Gemini to do its job well here? Whoever is being protected in those files obviously has the power to compel governments to do what they want - if Gemini started being a threat, I bet it would get some "alignment" help. Certainly its findings would be reported, as well as the identity of whoever was doing the prompting
It cannot be trusted.